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Annoying: Airline 137, established ILS 24, 5.5 miles
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Written on: 19. 03. 2008 [21:17]
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Any controller able to answer this: Are DME distances when established on ILS useful to you or just plain annoying? Any comment welcome. |
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Written on: 11. 09. 2011 [11:38]
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STCPILOT
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registered since: 23.02.2008
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Nice to know for pilots waiting at holding position,atc knows your distance!
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Written on: 16. 09. 2011 [21:14]
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fliteadmin
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registered since: 26.12.2006
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I guess you're right. They know most, and even more in the future.  flightwork.com - International Pilot Network |
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Written on: 22. 09. 2011 [05:42]
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kiwi-99
Board Cadet Pilotregistered since: 10.09.2011
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Are DME distances when established on ILS useful: I would definitely say YES. I would need to explain and answer this question in a broader sense. A controller with medium to high density traffic working on Radar (Approach/Departure) or in the Tower with visual contact is dependent on precise short information from the aircraft. Precise information such as “established on the ILS 8 DME final” or “Holding on taxiway XYZ Rwy 32” will automatically turn the Controllers split second attention to that particular point on the radar screen or on the tarmac when working in the tower. This is vital in absorbing split second information and updating the overall picture in the controller's head without having to “find” the target, either on the radar screen where there might be a dozen aircraft on his frequency at one particular time, or in the tower where he has a span of up to 180° to overview. So called “miss Identification” can thus be significantly reduced or eliminated. I would like to give you a simple example: 2 or 3 aircraft from the same company are on different taxiways wishing to cross runways. With the call “XYZ holding short request to cross runway”. Which aircraft is it?, which runway?, on which taxiway?. Imprecise calls make life difficult for controllers and can bring about miss identification and are a potential hazard apart from absorbing vital seconds of time. (This example I have heard in LSZH or EBBR many times). I know this might be difficult for a pilot to understand as it is very difficult for me to explain what goes on in the scanning and planning as well as updating of information in a controllers head to be up with the traffic which has to be handled and at all times to be ahead of the reality and plan the next steps. Short precise information is vital that is way I would say YES to your question. |
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