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SID a must when contacting Departure?
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Written on: 26. 09. 2009 [14:09]
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Hi guys...Does anyone know here if it is a requirement to mention the SID on first contact with departure? Cheers [This article was edited 1 times, at last 26.09.2009 at 14:09.] |
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Written on: 28. 09. 2009 [22:40]
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That depends. It's handled differently in every country. In the UK it is as far as I know a must. Continental Europeans handle it slightly differently and it is not very common. |
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Written on: 01. 10. 2009 [00:23]
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coffeeplease
 Board First Officerregistered since: 31.10.2007
Posts: 38
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Just checked on this issue. I believe fleetbuster has got it right. Doc 4444 does not mention the case at all. But I've found a reference document issued by a Eurocontrol work group recommending this practice. Further down in the same document, where examples were given, the SID was not included... 
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Written on: 14. 10. 2011 [22:13]
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kiwi-99
 Board Cadet Pilotregistered since: 10.09.2011
Posts: 6
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There is a lot said about this. The books and the prophets on Doc 4444 and other “paper tigers” are sometimes out of touch with reality. I would always on the initial call with departure give my passing altitude cleared altitude cleared SID Giving “passing altitude”, the controller can verify the transponder with the radar read out which is necessary for official “radar identification” Giving “cleared altitude” increases the “safety net”. Believe me, I have experienced many pilots that have set the cruising altitude and called up with climbing to that level. Because they told me what altitude they are climbing, a lot of problems were immediately solved (saves a lot of paper work). Giving the cleared SID (the one you have set or have programmed) will verify that you are flying the correct SID given. Believe me “mistakes” in setting the SID happens more often that what many of you might think and if similar SID’s go complete different ways shortly after departure problems can happen. My comments might differ slightly from the book and the theory, but believe me they can save a lot of problems and safety is still the number one factor considering the fact that there is usually a lot of departing and arriving traffic within a TMA and there is no scope for error.  |
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Written on: 22. 10. 2011 [11:52]
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fliteadmin
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registered since: 26.12.2006
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Thanks kiwi-99, In the UK it is usually used and I think it's a good thing to do as it helps to detect errors. In the rest of Europe it is rarely used, not sure about the rest of the world. Looks like there is still a bit of freedom for the pilot to mention the SID during the initial call or not. If we do, it does not harm. Cheers, S flightwork.com - International Pilot Network |
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